Post by: eddo on Feb 10, 2015, 10:51:12 PM
Post by: fourplay26 on Feb 11, 2015, 08:54:13 AM
Had this on my previous vehicle and no problems over 12-years Beach Work included
Post by: rhynoceros on Feb 11, 2015, 11:59:20 AM
I don't believe in electronic rust proofing (Owning ERPS and couplertec systems in the past). If they worked they'd be on vehicles from factory...same as hiclones.
Post by: grantm on Feb 11, 2015, 07:24:57 PM
No Idea, but with mine I have fitted a 6-coupler ERPS System
Had this on my previous vehicle and no problems over 12-years Beach Work included
If its not a rude question, what does this sort of system cost, I am tossing around which way to go as will be doing a fair bit of beach work. All the sales pitch from couplertech etc sound good but real life experience would be good to get some info
Was planning on fish oil, but open to better options
Post by: fourplay26 on Feb 11, 2015, 07:45:35 PM
The person who fitted it for me has been doing this type of work for years as he also fitted the one on my previous vehicle over 12 years ago and he said that even thou his business supports another brand, ERPS is still be best.
It cost me all up with fitting around $1,000, $695 for the system (eBay) and $300 fitting
I see you are in Ipswich too, I can put you onto him if you like, but you would have to goto Slacks Creek for Fitting
Post by: rhynoceros on Feb 11, 2015, 08:37:40 PM
I had an BJ40 that rusted to CENSORED with an ERPS installed.
http://www.abc.net.au/science/k2/homework/s95524.htm
http://corrosion-doctors.org/Car/car-electronic-rust.htm
Pay for a good spray on or do it it yourself.
Really the best antirust solution is to wash your car well after taking it off road these things are zinc electroplated and shouldn't rust for 10 years unless mistreated not like cars of yesteryear.
Post by: Parko96 on Feb 11, 2015, 08:51:36 PM
http://www.racq.com.au/~/media/pdf/racq%20pdfs/cars%20and%20driving/2014-07-rust-prevention-systems.ashx
Post by: Parko96 on Feb 11, 2015, 08:59:58 PM
http://corrosion-doctors.org/Car/car-electronic-rust.htm
Post by: eddo on Feb 11, 2015, 09:43:58 PM
sault before and after a beach trip, I will keep doing this with the MUX. Although the staun products are no longer available.
Post by: rhynoceros on Feb 11, 2015, 10:58:03 PM
Post by: grantm on Feb 12, 2015, 06:01:16 AM
Pay for a good spray on or do it it yourself.
Really the best antirust solution is to wash your car well after taking it off road these things are zinc electroplated and shouldn't rust for 10 years unless mistreated not like cars of yesteryear.
I like this method I think, worked on my Jeep for 15 years.
Post by: grantm on Feb 12, 2015, 06:05:53 AM
I would highly recommend ERPS
The person who fitted it for me has been doing this type of work for years as he also fitted the one on my previous vehicle over 12 years ago and he said that even thou his business supports another brand, ERPS is still be best.
It cost me all up with fitting around $1,000, $695 for the system (eBay) and $300 fitting
I see you are in Ipswich too, I can put you onto him if you like, but you would have to goto Slacks Creek for Fitting
Hi thanks for the info, just not 100% sold on the idea yet, would like to see some unbiased reports, will keep researching it before committing to it, in the mean time just will give it a good wash after a beach run I think.
Post by: dogsbreakfast on Feb 13, 2015, 06:48:24 AM
Post by: fourplay26 on Feb 13, 2015, 08:07:13 AM
Post by: grantm on Feb 13, 2015, 08:52:22 PM
Each to their own, I clean my vehicle well when I return form the Beach or any off road trip, but the ERPS I believe gives that extra protection I case any is missed or you are out of time and have to go back to work and cannot clean the truck until the next weekend.
This is where my thinking is, bit of extra peace of mind, still deciding
Post by: dogsbreakfast on Feb 13, 2015, 09:44:57 PM
Each to their own, I clean my vehicle well when I return form the Beach or any off road trip, but the ERPS I believe gives that extra protection I case any is missed or you are out of time and have to go back to work and cannot clean the truck until the next weekend
True and at the end of the day it cant hurt the vehicle and if it gives peace of mind then all good!
Post by: OldMucks on Feb 14, 2015, 08:34:27 AM
If you read the warranty on the electronic ones you will find they don't cover you if you go on the beach or anything else they consider extreme. Not on a boat it probably won't work.
Still feel the urge to wast $600 - $800 give it to me.
Post by: gimp4930 on Feb 14, 2015, 03:56:13 PM
Post by: voids on Aug 10, 2015, 10:13:10 AM
So far 8 years in my patrol, lots of beach driving and off road, no rust.
Post by: Magilla on Aug 10, 2015, 11:48:00 AM
Post by: MarkDaSpark on Aug 10, 2015, 06:24:48 PM
This type of electronic protection won't work for all the reasons mentioned in the videos or web links.
I like the couplertec system and I personally will be forking out for a couplertec system for my Dmax.
The good old spray protection works as well.....so its 'horses for courses' really.
Now I don't want to upset anyone on here.......BUT.......saying that "if it worked the manufacturer would put it on from new" doesn't really help the OP.......well that could be said for every simple modification that our members have described in other posts......Why put a 2inch lift kit in??.....if it was better to raise it by 2inches then surely the manufacturer would sell it like that??
As with everything not everyone will agree with everything.......but we should be comparing like for like.
Just my 2 cents worth :icon_thumleft:
Post by: Parko96 on Aug 10, 2015, 06:52:21 PM
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Post by: MarkDaSpark on Aug 10, 2015, 07:04:20 PM
Advocates for ERP feel free to post links to 'independent' scientific studies that back up the retailers claims here
I hear you mate......but......can you share a link from an independent scientific study to say the capacitive ERP system doesn't work??
All the other links on here were for a cathodic protection....a different type of ERP system.
My 80 series cruiser was all internally sprayed with Tectyl.......I still had rust appear around the 3rd row windows and the tailgate........Both of which were well coated on the inside with tectyl but both rusted right through......this doesnt mean that Tectyl is no good and doesn't work?
All these products....both ERP and spray on products help protect and slow the inevitable......Neither product alone will totally eliminate all rust......especially if your vehicle spends a lot of time on the beach.
I do agree that some ERP manufacturers will lead you to believe that they are the be all and end all of rust prevention......but every manufacturer states their product is 'the best'.
I guess what I'm trying to say - to cut to the chase - is that both methods have their place in HELPING reduce the effects of rust......But neither method alone will Prevent rust altogether.
Post by: rhynoceros on Aug 10, 2015, 07:39:35 PM
Now I don't want to upset anyone on here.......BUT.......saying that "if it worked the manufacturer would put it on from new" doesn't really help the OP.......well that could be said for every simple modification that our members have described in other posts......Why put a 2inch lift kit in??.....if it was better to raise it by 2inches then surely the manufacturer would sell it like that??
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but comparing a lift or 4wd mod to a contentious device like an ERPS is just wrong for so many reasons.
Lifts aren't legal in some markets and not everyone wants a 4wd with a diff lock or one so high they can't get the kids into. Lifting also effects all modern vehicles Safety and they all want the 5 stars.
Some manufactures e.g. Jeep/Landrover offer adjustable suspension, discounting sway bars, Diff locks, crawler gears, bigger diffs and all the good guts but none offer a ERPS system.
Everyone wants a car that doesn't rust, so manufactures zinc electroplate the things. If electronic rust systems worked they would be on from factory as its a differentiating factor from brands. Heck they would be cheap as for them to slap on with economies of scale.
Just make sure you keep your paint pristine otherwise the 10 year warranty (on new vehicles only) is void.
Post by: rhynoceros on Aug 10, 2015, 07:45:11 PM
Post by: MarkDaSpark on Aug 10, 2015, 08:12:13 PM
Oh and the ERPS system when i had it installed was a cathodic system, but thats now a dirty word so they only sell capacitive coupling models...until that becomes a ditry word.
For cathodic protection to work effectively you need to have sacrificial anodes installed.....basically the anodes corrode and need to be replaced to protect your vehicle.
True cathodic protection does work when used correctly.
oh and yes i agree comparing a lift to ERP was probably not the best comparison to have made :laughing7:
Post by: OldMucks on Aug 11, 2015, 10:49:53 AM
Just for you MarkDaSpark.
Post by: DmaxDave on Nov 26, 2015, 09:05:34 PM
https://www.finance.nsw.gov.au/about-us/media-releases/no-rust-bust-warning-re-car-rust-reduction-devices
Dave
Post by: fourplay26 on Nov 26, 2015, 09:34:59 PM
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Post by: Parko96 on Nov 26, 2015, 09:39:43 PM
I told you
https://www.finance.nsw.gov.au/about-us/media-releases/no-rust-bust-warning-re-car-rust-reduction-devices
Dave
Haha classic! I have one of those exact units in my MUX. Unknown to me it came as part of the lease package. I wonder if I can reclaim some coin.
Always knew it was rubbish. The only thing that works in this unit is the little red LED, oh so pretty!
Post by: Parko96 on Nov 26, 2015, 09:41:52 PM
Thst's only one Brand & the only one to buy is ERPS
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Careful Fourplay26 don't speak to soon, as the article says a number of other brands are under investigation.
Post by: fourplay26 on Nov 26, 2015, 09:49:55 PM
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Post by: DmaxDave on Nov 26, 2015, 10:52:31 PM
Dave
Post by: Bob on Nov 26, 2015, 10:59:37 PM
My last two two cars, both 13 years old, had no rust. No ERPS either. Yep, it is interesting ;)
Dave
Ditto me as well - snake oil come to mind.
Post by: Parko96 on Nov 27, 2015, 08:59:18 AM
My last two two cars, both 13 years old, had no rust. No ERPS either. Yep, it is interesting ;)
Dave
Sold my FJ62 when she was 20years old and over 400 on the clock, no rust at all and no ERPS.
Post by: DMaximus on Nov 27, 2015, 09:26:51 AM
A couple things also needed to be added to those statements. Do you live near the coast, is the vehicle garaged, driven on the beach and more important driven through salt water and how have you maintained the cars body work?
I've had my Subaru 10 years from new, It's had no rust proofing, I live on the coast, probably only garaged 20% of the time, probably washed it 3 times a year max and no rust. But I have never driven it on the beach or through salt water.
But in saying that. Prevention is better than the cure!
For the D-Max it's Penetrol in the nooks and crannies under the car. I haven't done inside the doors as yet or engine bay but will probably use Inox in those areas.
I wash and polish the ute about once a month.
If I go onto the beach then it's a good hosing after. I haven't driven it through salt water... no doubt that will probably happen at some stage but it won't be a habit.
My 2 cents.
Post by: terryzarmzoff on Nov 29, 2015, 06:51:09 AM
Post by: dlncooke on Nov 29, 2015, 07:51:08 AM
Anyone used this stuff or done it !!
Cheers
Dave
Post by: Parko96 on Nov 29, 2015, 08:46:38 AM
In regards to rust proofing i was going to spray/brush on some of that black Septone bitumen stuff, up under the wheel arches to stop the rocks and stones from doing any damage,
Anyone used this stuff or done it !!
Cheers
Dave
Not yet on the MUX but planing on doing the arches too. Did the arches in my FJ62 and the complete underside of my camper trailer. Product is easy to use and sticks to anything.
Post by: rhynoceros on Dec 02, 2015, 10:56:56 PM
"NSW Fair Trading Commissioner Rod Stowe is warning NSW consumers not to waste their money buying computerised electronic corrosion inhibitors (CECI devices) for motor vehicles after investigations by Western Australia Consumer Protection revealed the devices don’t work."
Edit... couple weeks too late.
And as dave said: I told you so..lol
Post by: Greybeard on Feb 21, 2017, 09:28:08 AM
Post by: rudagath on Feb 21, 2017, 09:32:27 AM
This topic has been discussed at length
Post by: Bob on Feb 21, 2017, 10:14:21 AM
Post by: oldpiscator on Feb 21, 2017, 10:42:37 AM
Post by: mydmax2 on Feb 21, 2017, 11:58:46 AM
Look around yourself at all the vehicle which don't have ERPS fitted. Are they OK. Many very old Isuzu Rodeo's are still good.
A great way to eliminate $$$$ from your wallet. Those rusty looking $notes will disappear.
Post by: Mat01 on Feb 21, 2017, 01:21:46 PM
Post by: mydmax2 on Feb 21, 2017, 04:38:58 PM
However, rarely does anyone prepare the inside of the chassis ie the structure/frame of the vehicle.
It builds up dirt and salt (if beach driven) but the vehicle only gets a wash underneath.
Parked on a steep hill and wash out of the chassis is of great benefit if interested in trying to prevent development of rust in there. The build up of crap WILL rust the chassis through.
No good having a perfect body if the bones are eaten away.
Post by: Carlin1983 on Mar 26, 2017, 01:26:42 PM