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OzIsuzu Forum Bulletin Board / Re: Registration/Forum Sign up delays
« Last post by Freddie on Sep 16, 2023, 07:38:28 PM »
What, no Starlink?
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Off Topic / Re: Can bus now been hacked for vehicle theft
« Last post by yvesjv on Sep 16, 2023, 09:08:19 AM »
Quote from: mewgaf on Sep 16, 2023, 12:45:55 AM
Also Security and systems should be done in separate layers. The media systems and engine systems should be seperate and isolated.

Totally agree with you there but probably will not happen easily.
The media systems should be its own and have read access only to the the core system(s) of the vehicle. I do like the statistics provided on the screen.
Anyone with a bluetooth scanner, nfc or an rfid scanner (think kali) should be blocked.

Or get an old car to drive, no technology there.
If anyone wants to trade their 1976 Torana SS LX for my Dmax, get in touch with me. I'll even settle for the 1978 SL/R  ;)
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Off Topic / Re: Can bus now been hacked for vehicle theft
« Last post by mewgaf on Sep 16, 2023, 12:45:55 AM »
To be honest
[size=78%]Systems can be Locked down (secured).[/size]
But there are costs.
It costs more to produce to parts, because they need extra processing power for security.
It costs more in time to transact authentication. (AAA).
By any means I’m not saying it shouldn’t be secure.
Also Security and systems should be done in separate layers. The media systems and engine systems should be seperate and isolated.


But people think its important to drive there cars by there phones now and security is always a second thought.


Mark
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OzIsuzu Forum Bulletin Board / Re: Registration/Forum Sign up delays
« Last post by Bob on Sep 15, 2023, 10:50:05 PM »
You lucky, lucky barstard.  :tongue1:
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OzIsuzu Forum Bulletin Board / Registration/Forum Sign up delays
« Last post by DannyG on Sep 15, 2023, 08:20:25 PM »
Apologies to the newly signed up forum users if there are any delays. I do the approvals manually and I am currently on holidays for 5 weeks in the desert and in the middle of Australia so phone reception is a little sketchy.

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Off Topic / Re: All-electric utes on the radar for tradies
« Last post by Munro on Sep 15, 2023, 05:28:19 PM »
There are already some vehicles out there with roof integrated solar... but in terms of charging the primary battery pack, the output is hopelessly inadequate, as you'd expect.

Bandt's answer seems to be "put solar everywhere" which would be a great idea... if we had unlimited air and water to pollute along the way...
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Off Topic / Re: All-electric utes on the radar for tradies
« Last post by CirLott on Sep 15, 2023, 04:46:26 PM »
Quote from: Munro on Sep 07, 2023, 10:18:30 AM
Quote from: CirLott on Sep 05, 2023, 06:44:23 PM
...unless a very energy efficient battery is invented.

Yes, as usual battery tech is the weak point of the whole equation.  Don't get me wrong, I love the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow; who wouldn't want an electric vehicle that can replace an equivalent diesel without the current swathe of compromises?  But "compromise" (whether it be price, range, capability, durability, or all of the above) is the big sticking point... as it has always been with EV technology. 

Batteries simply aren't up to the job on many fronts, and it's a pity.
It will probably stay that way until another power cell is invented.
Maybe they will invent some kind of solar panels that will charge the electric car while driving. Who knows? I'm just dreaming :)
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Off Topic / Re: Can bus now been hacked for vehicle theft
« Last post by rockfall on Sep 11, 2023, 11:12:21 AM »
Interesting topic. I did a bit of looking, and as you would expect, seems like some smart people are working on solutions.

e.g. I found this interview with a guy who is the CTO of  a company focusing on CAN bus security. It's mainly on a technical level, very interesting read (I read the transcript rather than watching it).

https://resources.altium.com/p/security-can-bus-ken-tindell

The company website looks like it has a lot of interesting info - wish I had time to read it: https://canislabs.com/

Sounds like there are some current or upcoming ways that CAN bus security can be greatly improved. But it comes down to vehicle manufacturers, and what resources they want to put into addressing the issues.
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Off Topic / Re: Can bus now been hacked for vehicle theft
« Last post by yvesjv on Sep 10, 2023, 02:24:25 PM »
Yep, you're right.
Just looked it up.
It's wide open for a mitm attack or more...
https://www.vice.com/en/article/ae33jk/we-drove-a-car-while-it-was-being-hacked
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Off Topic / Re: Can bus now been hacked for vehicle theft
« Last post by mewgaf on Sep 09, 2023, 04:53:22 PM »
The problem with the Can Bus Protocol, is that it does not have any security built in. So it’s like building a house and not fitting locks to the doors. Anybody can walk in and then they could listen to messages or pretend to send a message from any device and nobody says are you really you or is your message from you.
A complete rework of this protocol needs to be done (which was needed in the 80’s) but who is going to do it?
Until cars are being crashed and people killed nothing will be done.
Like most things with politics and so many players something one day will happen, as it is there is a base standard but most car manufacturers go their own way.


Hope this helps
Mark
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