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General Boards => Off Topic => Topic started by: tjwright7 on Sep 02, 2015, 05:25:05 PM
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Looks like Toyota have decided people want the 2.8 in the Prado, Fortuna and Hilux. They are going to struggle to get people to justify spending the extra $$$ on the Prado when the Fortuna is in their own lineup not to mention the stiff competition being put up by the Colorado, Everest and of course the mighty MU-X.
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I have been thinking the same on this issue. Not to mention the prado has an overall length only 100mm longer what is the incentive to purchase a prado. None i can see.
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Really depends on what you want, the Prado is more refined that the Fortuner, it's not ute based. If I had the money I'd get a Prado, if I had a bit less money, I'd get an MU-X and use the change saved over the Fortuner to buy MU-X 4x4 upgrades.
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The problem is that there are more than enough sheep with enough $$$, who will blindly buy a Fortuner / Prado / Hilux without giving the competition a second of thought.
Isuzu and others need to raise their game with customer service, marketing and continuing to produce great vehicles at an excellent price point to gain market share.
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It is pretty hard to justify the Prado though and the 2500kg braked towing isn't great, auto Fortuner is also 2800kg, 200kg less than the MU-X. I've always been a Toyota customer but not this time.
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I see so many Prado's everyday I can't keep up with counting them, same goes for Hilux. Will be interesting to see how the Everest and MU-X sales go when the Fortuner is available.
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It will interesting to see, I'm in the market for an MU-X so I'm hoping pricing will stay sharp for a while.
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we chose the MUX over the Prado as we are keeping it for many years, The prado is a good vehicle and if you where only keeping it for 3 years and moving it on definitely worth the extra coin due to resale value nothing comes close to a second hand Prado, people are still paying top dollar for them.
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People are paying more for used Prados than new MU-X's, well at least the sticker price suggests they may be, go figure. With a boat in tow and a car full of people and gear, the Prado can easily get over or close to its total load capacity, the extra 500kgs the MU-X offers makes far more sense.
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I think the Dmax etc are still good value compared to the others. If they lifted their game by improving the fit and finish, including the paintwork they would be reasonable in the price department. The cabin needs some rethinking especially the plastics and the stupid doors. Fix the seats and include a rear view camera as standard, improve the wading depth, add a factory diff lock or option it and keep the price the same. I think they are all overpriced and mostly underdone but the Dmax has a chance at keeping market share if they would get their heads out of the sand and have a look around...they didn't even do an update this year ( as far as I know) and the new Hilux is released.....work that out. Just plain stupid in my book. They should have been working on a revamp 2 years ago.
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I think the Dmax etc are still good value compared to the others. If they lifted their game by improving the fit and finish, including the paintwork they would be reasonable in the price department. The cabin needs some rethinking especially the plastics and the stupid doors. Fix the seats and include a rear view camera as standard, improve the wading depth, add a factory diff lock or option it and keep the price the same. I think they are all overpriced and mostly underdone but the Dmax has a chance at keeping market share if they would get their heads out of the sand and have a look around...they didn't even do an update this year ( as far as I know) and the new Hilux is released.....work that out. Just plain stupid in my book. They should have been working on a revamp 2 years ago.
I tend to agree with that, the D-MAX and MU-X are still fantastic vehicles but their pricing will need to reflect the ' slight falling behind other makes ' in the short term and if so, they will keep selling for a while until new models arrive in 2017 that's my guess. With the Fortuner looking to become very popular and I am already spotting the new Hilux everywhere on the roads and the new Mitsubishi Challenger about to be released tells me that Isuzu need to stay right on price to make acceptable sales over the next 12 months.
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Not sure if you are able to see attached but these prices are highway robbery.....Hello Isuzu!
http://www3.toyota.com.au/fortuner?gclid=CIO3yoiw5MgCFUuXvQodYsoPYg
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18" wheels on the "Crusade"? Be interesting to see how that goes off-road and in the sand :laughing7:
So you need to spend $68k to get GPS? Ouch.
Seems like the perfect Toorak Tractor. No doubt there will be zillions of them on the road by Christmas.
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No doubt there will be millions of them - The base GX doesn't even get alloy wheels, no roof rails, it gets a reversing camera but that will cost you $15,000 over the price of a LS-M MU-X, nuts. :tool:
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Wow the Crusade is first car I have seen with a built in 220v power inverter.
And $60,000 for the GLX you still get no DRL's.
And where are the heated mirrors?
I was actually expecting them to be much more expensive, for a Toyota they are well priced.
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I was seriously considering waiting for the Fortuner to see specs and price point before getting the MUX. Glad I didn't as overpriced the way I see it. Could pick up a run out Prado gxl for under 62k not long ago. Seems to make the Prado the 'premium' car and push prices up. Definitely expecting people to pay a premium for the badge.
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You have to give it to Toyota. There is only one other company that rivals them, if fact smashes them, in the "YOU WILL PAY US MORE" stakes for a product that is no better,sometimes not as good, sometimes a bit better and that's Apple.
Forget the Hilux and Prado the biggest brainwashing exercise in the pay more get less stakes, and Toyota is THE only company that could do it, is the 70 series thing. I'm not sure what they call them now. It's the biggest joke ever pulled on the motoring public. A motoring death trap with 2 airbags and a V8 motor and NOTHING else. My mate has one. He likes it because he reckons power windows can break 'and then what do you do?'. I bag him every chance I get. Cool..it's strong..so what...most people never need strong. Power windows might break but generally never do. The thing is a s..t box on wheels. Rough, noisy, uncomfortable but boy is it strong!!! What do they start at....about $60k
I can remember many years back Toyota threatened to pull the thing off the market if it had to re-engineer it to have 2 airbags.
What about the 200 series...the cheapest starts at about $83k. That's the CHEAPEST. The Sahara is $122k. When I think about it...that leaves the 70 series for dead I guess except it does include a few things for the price...including power windows and it's probably even got air conditioning :laughing7:
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Yep good old toyota tax. I have a VX 200 series for work and dont get me wrong its a great car but nearly 100k!
The 76 series is a 1980s japanese prado with a v8 for nearly 70k and the wheel tracks dont even match. The front diff is 100mm wider than the rear.
Crazy.
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If Toyota has become the Apple of the car world then I will do what I did years ago, move to Windows! Or, Isuzu in this case. There is no justifiable reason to spend 10k and more on a car that will do exactly the same thing as the more competitively priced car. The MU-X even has better styling, the Fortuner styling definitely takes some getting used to.
Can't wait to get the Isuzu...
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Checked out the Fortuner on the weekend, didn't bother going for a test drive because of the sticker price. The car is nice but isn't perfect and is definitely overpriced, whether prices will drop in the future is another thing but the Fortuner is still priced better than the Ford Everest. Having said all that, I had another play with the MU-X and its a whole lotta car for not much money in comparison. Fit & finish inside is better on the Toyota but not $15,000 better by any stretch of the imagination, the boot is very cramped with the upward & side folding 3rd row seats, the styling is OK but MU-X is still more contemporary in its styling. The 2800kg towing of the auto is also a slight let down when the Isuzu can do 3000kg. Probably a lot more I could harp on about but I am sure we all have better things to do!
Cheers,
Bill.
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....Fit & finish inside is better on the Toyota but not $15,000 better by any stretch of the imagination...
I guess as long as you can bear the difference in the 'interior design' of both vehicles than $15K can be used to build the MUX to a better tourer and/or a rock hopper... for me, it is the engine that counts and ISUZU has the proven history (reliability)...
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....Fit & finish inside is better on the Toyota but not $15,000 better by any stretch of the imagination...
I guess as long as you can bear the difference in the 'interior design' of both vehicles than $15K can be used to build the MUX to a better tourer and/or a rock hopper... for me, it is the engine that counts and ISUZU has the proven history (reliability)...
I can definitely bare the difference in fact to me it makes no difference. The interior of either car will look like crap after 10 years of ownership with two kids!
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More trivia - Looks like Toyota have put the Fortuner in front of Prado in the line-up, wonder what the thinking is there?
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I was looking at the very sexy Everest but the prices stopped me from getting serious.
Was also going to wait and see the Fortuner as the prices seemed better and appearance in the email photos also looked good
However the Isuzu dealer was prepared to meet a very reasonable drive away price. probably due to the soon to be released fortuner and I couldn't walk away.
Now that I have seen the Toyota in the flesh I can definitely say that we got the better looking car
Also think that over time the mux mechanically will outlast with it's low stress running gear
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Damo
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I see so many Prado's everyday I can't keep up with counting them, same goes for Hilux. Will be interesting to see how the Everest and MU-X sales go when the Fortuner is available.
Billy we are much the same. Have had Toyotas for many years and now have our MUX. We are caravanners and the tow capacity of the Isuzu was a major factor for us when buying. Prado is rated at 2.5T and is very expensive. In addition I always feel like Toyotas are a bit light on for extras given what you are paying. The Fortuner has a bit better tow capacity and is marginally cheaper but like all Toyotas is still expensive. All that I can say is that the Toyota lineup is getting very congested. I would love to know if they have plans to drop something out of their range in the near future. Time will tell hey?
For the money we are happy with MUX.
Cheers
Brian
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When I first saw the current generation of MU-X and D-MAX, back in 2013 at the Royal Australian Easter Show I was skeptical. New consumer based models from a commercial based manufacturer. I thought, no way, can't match Toyota but I was totally wrong. The thing that surprised me the most is how Isuzu got it right the very first time with these models and they are standing the test of time. People that 'know' want them for the right reason, they aren't perfect or the most up to date but they are very well priced and dependable.
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When I first saw the current generation of MU-X and D-MAX, back in 2013 at the Royal Australian Easter Show I was skeptical. New consumer based models from a commercial based manufacturer. I thought, no way, can't match Toyota but I was totally wrong. The thing that surprised me the most is how Isuzu got it right the very first time with these models and they are standing the test of time. People that 'know' want them for the right reason, they aren't perfect or the most up to date but they are very well priced and dependable.
Umm, the Isuzu MU has a long history, even badged as a Honda at one stage. Plus the Gemini, Colorado and Jackaroo, until mid 2012, were all Isuzus. Isuzu have a long history making "consumer based models".
Dave
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When I first saw the current generation of MU-X and D-MAX, back in 2013 at the Royal Australian Easter Show I was skeptical. New consumer based models from a commercial based manufacturer. I thought, no way, can't match Toyota but I was totally wrong. The thing that surprised me the most is how Isuzu got it right the very first time with these models and they are standing the test of time. People that 'know' want them for the right reason, they aren't perfect or the most up to date but they are very well priced and dependable.
Umm, the Isuzu MU has a long history, even badged as a Honda at one stage. Plus the Gemini, Colorado and Jackaroo, until mid 2012, were all Isuzus. Isuzu have a long history making "consumer based models".
Dave
Just shows you how bright my Toyota blinkers were Dave :laughing7:
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I see so many Prado's everyday I can't keep up with counting them, same goes for Hilux. Will be interesting to see how the Everest and MU-X sales go when the Fortuner is available.
Billy we are much the same. Have had Toyotas for many years and now have our MUX. We are caravanners and the tow capacity of the Isuzu was a major factor for us when buying. Prado is rated at 2.5T and is very expensive. In addition I always feel like Toyotas are a bit light on for extras given what you are paying. The Fortuner has a bit better tow capacity and is marginally cheaper but like all Toyotas is still expensive. All that I can say is that the Toyota lineup is getting very congested. I would love to know if they have plans to drop something out of their range in the near future. Time will tell hey?
For the money we are happy with MUX.
Cheers
Brian
I do wonder how the Prado has managed to sell so well considering the lower towing capacity but I guess Prado buyers are possibly buying Prado's for the 'wrong' reasons. Each to their own, it's still a nice car and excellent 4WD but price is crazy - Glad you are happy with the MU-X Brian.
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Upgrade... buy a Dmax
Dave
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Upgrade... buy a Dmax
Dave
Think that's Da Mux
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People will still buy prados as they are a bit bigger than the fortuners and target a different market. I've got nothing against prados as I drive them at work but still love my wife's mux and wouldn't change much about it.
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People will still buy prados as they are a bit bigger than the fortuners and target a different market. I've got nothing against prados as I drive them at work but still love my wife's mux and wouldn't change much about it.
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Yeah - Nothing against Prado's at all other than they just don't represent good value and only 2500kg towing capacity. Other than that, they are wonderful to drive but so is the MU-X. I was going to buy a Prado but my MU-X purchase saved me 25k, enough to buy a decent boat or a good second car.
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Couldn't ov said it better myself Billy :)
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When I first saw the current generation of MU-X and D-MAX, back in 2013 at the Royal Australian Easter Show I was skeptical. New consumer based models from a commercial based manufacturer. I thought, no way, can't match Toyota but I was totally wrong. The thing that surprised me the most is how Isuzu got it right the very first time with these models and they are standing the test of time. People that 'know' want them for the right reason, they aren't perfect or the most up to date but they are very well priced and dependable.
Umm, the Isuzu MU has a long history, even badged as a Honda at one stage. Plus the Gemini, Colorado and Jackaroo, until mid 2012, were all Isuzus. Isuzu have a long history making "consumer based models".
Dave
Just thought I would put a photo up on Daves quote. This is our 1993 Isuzu MU, 300Ks and can legally two 2.5 ton and still going strong. Yes we love our Isuzus, also owned an Isuzu MU Wizard before the D.Max.
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I doesn't say a lot for Toyota engineering advances if a 1993 vehicle can tow 2.5 and 23 years later Toyota still offer 2.5t on some of their models. Can't wait to drop in Bruce and have a look at the MU.
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I doesn't say a lot for Toyota engineering advances if a 1993 vehicle can tow 2.5 and 23 years later Toyota still offer 2.5t on some of their models. Can't wait to drop in Bruce and have a look at the MU.
No worries mate.