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Is Vic going into another lockdown?
Seshman:
All the eggs went into the basket the rest of the world was saying no to, its dubious at best in my opinion.
As for the production, surely they could of gotten setup for Pfizer in the mean time. Theres multiple labs now producing AZ, surely you'd want to cover all bases and keep options open, This has been going on for nearly 2 years now remember.
I would of been more comfortable with a new home grown vaccine as opposed to the an unknown from overseas. Call it patriotism or pragmatism, but I'd be more willing to support an Australian designed drug than another overseas untested drug. Theres always going to be side effects and reactions to any vaccine, sadly everyone reacts differently and as we're seeing, people will die.
I just feel they did(as they usually do) a knee jerk reaction to mitigate the look of incompetence because they weren't planning ahead or taking it seriously enough. The inquests are going to be never ending once this all settles and the Leadership will give the same response as per usual "We acted upon the information that we had at the time", never do they say "We planned for the possibility and mitigated factor x and y because of it."
Simon
WAI4WD:
--- Quote from: Seshman on Aug 17, 2021, 07:00:58 PM ---As for the production, surely they could of gotten setup for Pfizer in the mean time. Theres multiple labs now producing AZ, surely you'd want to cover all bases and keep options open, This has been going on for nearly 2 years now remember.
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Yer, but remember, we didn't have a viable vacinne until the end of last year. That was the first time the world had access to a Covid vax. Everything was new. Nobody, not you, me, Scotty on the hill, could possibly have known which vax would be best at that time. They paid $$$ towards so many, hedging their bets. Some they lost on, others they won upon.
AZ was actually easier to make here if memory serves me correctly, as they were already making similar vacinnes here and only had to retool for it. Pfizer MRNA on the other hand, nothing like that is made here and Pfizers own reps have said it will take them 18+ months to get the gear here, setup, all the testing, then production.
This is all based on the first ever vax for covid hitting the market late 2020. We aren't as far on as people think we are for this. A vacinne created, tested and rolled out in a year. Holy crap. They have stated its never been done before. NEVER. This is a first in history.
Vacinnes typically take years to develop, years of testing, and maybe see the public 5 - 7 years later. That is normal. Nothing like that has happened with this globally.
--- Quote from: Seshman on Aug 17, 2021, 07:00:58 PM ---Theres always going to be side effects and reactions to any vaccine, sadly everyone reacts differently and as we're seeing, people will die.
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If only the media started with this in their criticism, which IMO has caused a lot of the issue in vax hesitancy. They created the story to now report on the issues due to their reporting of primarily the negatives. Journalism is dead. Simon... you should be writing the crap for channel 7 news so they stop the nonsense sensationalism to create drama, so they can then report on said drama. Write the truth and reality. Love it.
yvesjv:
Guys,
The consecutive and ongoing stuff ups from the decision makers have all culminated into where we are as a nation and why we aren't out of this quagmire.
Scovid from marketing, the Beetrooter etc will keep on being who they are
Like them or not, same goes to a degree for "Dictator" Dan, "Marky Mark" McGowan, "Wicked" Gladys and every other politico.
Regardless of who won the seats in Parliaments, the winners will always be the likes of Gina, Murdoch, etc AND the lobbyists.
Meanwhile, I'm waiting for the decision to
1. Mix the jabs for those who already had the AZ by following with the moderna or pfizer
2. Allow for a booster shot for any who had both jabs of the pfizer
3. Roll out a national vaccination program for jabs in each and every public school and retirement homes accross the nation. I remember back in the early 70s where my whole grade was jabbed against I think smallpox?
4. Lock down all national and international borders to NSW. That state is expected to spriral out of control. All international shipping can be redirected to Darwin!
As these decisions are made at a federal level, don't think I'm going to make prayers for any of the above to happen any time soon :crybaby2:
Edit:- Some humour is much needed nationwide :evil6:
https://www.theshovel.com.au/2021/08/17/three-years-morrison-declares-he-still-has-no-leadership-ambitions/
Navigator:
--- Quote from: Seshman on Aug 17, 2021, 07:00:58 PM ---All the eggs went into the basket the rest of the world was saying no to, its dubious at best in my opinion.
As for the production, surely they could of gotten setup for Pfizer in the mean time. Theres multiple labs now producing AZ, surely you'd want to cover all bases and keep options open, This has been going on for nearly 2 years now remember.
I would of been more comfortable with a new home grown vaccine as opposed to the an unknown from overseas. Call it patriotism or pragmatism, but I'd be more willing to support an Australian designed drug than another overseas untested drug. Theres always going to be side effects and reactions to any vaccine, sadly everyone reacts differently and as we're seeing, people will die.
I just feel they did(as they usually do) a knee jerk reaction to mitigate the look of incompetence because they weren't planning ahead or taking it seriously enough. The inquests are going to be never ending once this all settles and the Leadership will give the same response as per usual "We acted upon the information that we had at the time", never do they say "We planned for the possibility and mitigated factor x and y because of it."
Simon
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AZ is the most widely administered vaccine in the world, so I'm not sure who's shunning it. There have been recent news reports on establishing a facility capable of producing the Pfizer vaccine and others of it's type, probably in Victoria, but it needs funding before any actual construction starts, so at least two years away. I agree that it would have been great to have an Australian developed vaccine, but it didn't happen. I also agree the federal government got complacent with low numbers of infections and didn't roll out vaccines quickly enough. Remember "it's not a race ". Except now it is.
WAI4WD:
--- Quote from: Navigator on Aug 18, 2021, 09:09:27 AM ---Remember "it's not a race ". Except now it is.
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My opinon based on my limited research.
This was more media machine spin. Morrison said "its not a race" in relation to having a safe vacinne for Australians, NOT, getting said safe vacinne into arms. Our status for covid infection was relatively low compared to the rest of the world, therefore we could basically sit back and let the world be guinea pigs for vacinne that was designed in world record time, without longevity testing that every other vacinne has gone through. Lets be honest - the discussion right now is still about whether the vacinnes are safe. That is the largest hesitancy we endure in Australia right now. Not even 1 year old vacinnes are used globally.
The media took that statement from its context and then ran with it outside its context of the discussion about vacinne safety for citizens. My understanding is that AZ is one of the largest given vacinnes in the world alongside Pfizer - both do the job effectively. I believe Moderna is the new kid on the block and so far has less side effects than both of these. Time will tell though compared to crap all doses of Moderna used compared to AZ and Pfizer.
Our media has done immense damage to our vacinne rollout. They should have taken a pro-vacinne stance from the get go and not helped create the mixed messages we now endure.
Me personally, I would hate to be one of the 10 -20% of people being hesitant or refusing it once they let their foot of the brake. As with other countries who have done this with 80%+ full vax status, those not vaxed are landing in hospital in droves / dying. Israel was the world leader, now Delta has crippled it.
All politicians are crap to some degree IMO - I think the media are worse.
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